ApoB: The Cholesterol Number a Standard Lipid Panel Skips, and Why It Is Rarely Ordered
Episode Summary
Cole Siefer hosts Colin Renaud for a live episode on why a cholesterol panel that comes back fine can still miss real heart risk. Colin explains ApoB, the structural protein that sits on every LDL, VLDL and IDL particle, so the number counts the plaque causing particles in the blood rather than the amount of cholesterol they are carrying. He walks through why LDL on its own is a weak predictor, and why it becomes a real signal alongside diabetes, obesity, a smoking history, high blood pressure and family history. He said LDL is not inherently the main culprit, and that it turns into a problem when inflammation is involved. He also explains why these deeper cardiac labs are so rarely ordered, which he traces to insurance coverage and health system algorithms rather than to providers. The conversation also covers what a statin actually does and where the research supports one, what triglycerides can say about how the body handles sugar and carbohydrates, and the connection that runs both ways between cholesterol and hormones. Colin closes with a case study from a patient he had seen that same day, and the episode ends with a live audience Q&A on calcium scores, lipoprotein(a) and Repatha.
Key Topics
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ApoB as a count of plaque causing particles
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Why LDL by itself is a weak predictor of heart disease
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A normal LDL sitting next to a high ApoB
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Lipoprotein(a) and the updated cardiology guidelines
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CRP and inflammation as what turns cholesterol into plaque
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Triglycerides as a blood sugar and carbohydrate signal
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What statins do, and whether to take one with clean arteries
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Insurance coverage and why advanced cardiac labs go unordered
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The two way connection between cholesterol and hormones
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Case study: a 59 year old man three months into care
Quotable Moments
“every bad cholesterol particle has exactly one apo protein on its surface. So when we use apo, it is often a better predictor of heart disease risk because it reveals the true number of plaque causing particles in the blood”
“there are often times where LDL would be kind of normal or low normal, but the APOB might be really high.”
“a lot of my male patients who have high cholesterol and were put on a statin to lower their cholesterol have low or suboptimal testosterone”
“My goal is not necessarily lowering cholesterol just for the sake of lowering it but if your cholesterol is high does it mean you have heart disease risk? Should we lower it? And why is it high?”
“if you want answers from your healthcare providers, just demand them. You know, if you're not getting answers, if you're being given care that you don't agree with or you feel is not most appropriate for you, ask.”
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Colin Renaud said the updated cardiology guidelines now treat ApoB as an important influence and say lipoprotein(a) should be measured at least once in a person's life. He was careful not to blame providers. Research takes a long time, and it has to be recognized by insurance companies before the standards change, so a provider who knows the guidelines may still not order a test the patient would be billed for. He said the guidelines are evolving but the practice is not moving that fast.
Colin Renaud said ApoB is affected by diet and metabolic health: the amount of sugar you are eating, saturated fats, carrying extra weight and visceral fat, not exercising, and being insulin resistant or pre-diabetic. Genetics matter too. He said genes set your baseline level, so an inherited condition like familial hypercholesterolemia can cause high levels from birth, and that levels rise naturally as we age. His takeaway was that it goes back to the fundamentals of diet and exercise, and that it is always the basics.
Colin Renaud said he would. Cholesterol is the building block the body uses to make hormones, testosterone included, and he said a lot of his male patients with high cholesterol who were put on a statin have low or suboptimal testosterone, because the body has less of that building block to work with. He said it runs the other way too, since an absence of sex hormones can raise cholesterol. That is why he would check hormone levels on anyone with high cholesterol, especially men over a certain age and women after menopause.
Triglycerides are a type of fat the body makes from extra calories and uses for energy. Colin Renaud said a high level can be a measure of how well the body is handling its blood sugar and carbohydrates, and he tied it to extra calories from simple sugars, refined carbs, saturated fats, too much alcohol and not exercising. He also named medical causes: diabetes, low thyroid function, kidney disease and certain medications. Too much fat in the blood, he said, adds to hardening of the arteries, stroke and heart attack risk, and to inflammation.
That is part of why Colin Renaud uses it. CRP, or C reactive protein, is a protein made by the liver that tells you inflammation is present somewhere, which matters for the heart because inflammation of the arteries is what causes plaque to form. He described cholesterol as able to float around a little bit high without forming plaque until inflammation from poor diet, blood sugar irregularity or lack of exercise gets added, at which point it sticks together. He runs a CRP at the first visit and rechecks it later, and said a number that comes down gives a better understanding that the inflammation is better. What CRP cannot do is tell you where the inflammation is or what caused it.
Very little. Colin Renaud said lipoprotein(a) is primarily determined by genetics and really cannot be lowered by standard dieting or exercise. He pointed to newer drug options and to lipoprotein apheresis, a dialysis procedure that filters lipoprotein(a) out of the blood, which the FDA has approved only for people with severe high risk genetic high cholesterol.
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Advanced cholesterol and heart testing in South Portland, ME. ApoB, Lp(a), particle size, hsCRP, and insulin resistance, beyond a basic lipid panel. 4.8 stars.
