How Insurance and Billing Codes Decide Which Labs You Get
Episode Summary
Patients tell Colin Renaud the same thing constantly: they asked their primary care provider to run their hormones and were turned down. He explains where that no usually comes from, since insurance dictates what providers and health systems get reimbursed for, and a provider who believes the test matters can still decide not to order it because nobody is paying for it at a standard visit. Dr. Rose makes the case that prevention is very difficult to measure and lifestyle very difficult to reimburse, and the two also look at how pharmaceutical incentives keep the system turning and why social media has become a new health authority that often ends in fear or a product pitch. Colin is direct that he has a lot of respect for his medical colleagues, and that he and Dr. Rose both prescribe medication. They describe what a longer visit makes possible, including reading labs against optimal targets set in the context of that patient, which do not always line up with the lab's normal reference range, and building the plan with the patient instead of handing it over. A true or false round on spending, incentives, media and prevention is followed by a viewer comment about statins, and the two close on what they want listeners to take away, that health care is about understanding how your body works.
Key Topics
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Why insurance decides which tests get ordered
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Billing codes, guidelines and visit length
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Why prevention is hard to measure and reimburse
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Pharmaceutical incentives inside the system
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Social media as the new health authority
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Fear driven health decisions
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Optimal targets and the lab's normal reference range
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Catching a dysfunction before it becomes a diagnosis
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Emergency and trauma care compared with chronic disease care
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True or false round on spending, incentives, media and prevention
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Understanding how your body works and taking health into your own hands
Quotable Moments
“So providers are constrained by the billing codes, the guidelines, the algorithms, the time that it takes. And where in all of this is time to talk about prevention or talk about, you know, something more serious? There is no time, right?”
“They might feel it's important but they don't have a choice.”
“Listen, your PCP is not a bad person. They want to help you, but this and this and this and this and this are keeping them locked in this very narrow focused window of care.”
“we live in this age right now in my opinion that we're so influenced in general, not just in terms of health, by the media in ways that we don't even realize.”
“I don't want this visit to feel like it's transactional. I want it to feel collaborative and I want you to feel empowered.”
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FAQ
Healthcare System FAQ
Colin Renaud says the decision often is not the provider's to make. Insurance dictates what providers and health systems get reimbursed for, so a test outside the standard annual physical, hormones or vitamin levels for example, may not get paid for. A provider might feel the test is important but have no choice, because it is not part of the algorithm they are expected to practice within. Ordering it anyway can mean a denial, or a slap on the wrist.
Colin opens with a patient he saw the day before, after an uncomfortable visit with his primary care provider. The patient was doing well and felt his doctor could not have cared less, and he left turned off. Colin says the response should have been curiosity: what did you do, and how can I support you? He adds that he knows amazing primary care providers, internists and family doctors, and that the problem he is describing is systemic.
Colin says health care plays a really strong role in emergency medicine and trauma. If you are bleeding out on the side of the road, need surgery, have an infection, or hit something really severe, insurance is not what anyone is worried about in that moment. Chronic care is different. Dr. Rose sets acute, urgent and emergent medicine against chronic disease, which consumes the bulk of health care and health care costs while prevention sits outside the model.
Dr. Rose says patients often arrive worried about something they saw online instead of something in their own history or lab work, and that nuanced topics get simplified into one message. Colin says much of what people follow is there to sell them something, and that fear drives reactive decisions. They put their own role in the middle, between a conventional system with real limits and an influencer feed that, as Dr. Rose puts it, has a lot of conviction but no training as far as she knows.
No. A viewer wrote in to say doctors often push statins without recommending diet changes, and that they want alternatives. Colin answers that he and the providers at Med Matrix are not anti-medicine and not there to bash anybody, and that medicine is effective and saves lives. Earlier he says plainly that he and Dr. Rose prescribe medication every day. His point is that health care as a system, for the most part, lacks the preventive measures needed to keep people healthy long term.
Colin puts the money question plainly. If he spent an hour talking about diet inside a big box health system, nobody would make money on it. There is no exchange of goods, and information on its own is not profitable in that model. Dr. Rose describes what the time buys instead: a personalized evaluation, lifestyle medicine, nutrition, and advanced testing. Blood work is read against optimal targets rather than the lab's normal reference range, targets set in the context of that patient.
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